these are brand spankin new. best short pants i have had. zip super clean and soft. easy to clean as water kinda runs right off them. button pokets, sinch ankles and waist. i have about 10 paris of these. price is on point. pants for cold, poison ivy, etc, shorts for too hot and swimming. i use every year for kayaking and hiking. i was gonna use on europe travel and leave to some one every couple days a pair so i didn't have to pack home. ha. welp, eu does not look like a fun place to go anymore.